Was about to say that but now that you did, nothing left for me to do!

*Whistles innocently as he walks around doing nothing*

"I feel very distressed that a large number of adults would play this game and soak up this amount of sexually aggressive violence and aggressively violent language."

Sounds like they are against an R18 rating... They just want it banned...

"Mutants! How many times have I told you not to use the Z-word?"

Actually, I think they're referring to the "return to the womb" joke at the very end. Two words: Shock Value! 

I'm actually surprised HOD:O managed to get a MA15+ level. Maybe because of the violence. HOD has always been pretty mild (relatively) for M-rated games. Yes, gory rail-shooter, but we've seen worse. The swearing has always been pretty mild, and the rewards for saving innocent lives has always been a plus. Overkill makes up for that lack of swearing; otherwise, I think the watchdogs would have ignored it.

Apparently, G repeatedly telling Washington to watch his language isn't enough for them.

There's an RPG Maker game called Attack of the Rape Zombies

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnrH1KMYu38

Let's hope these watchdog group members didn't get a hold of this ;)

GameSnooper

HI DEROVIUS!

Been a long time, did you think we'd forgot this was your imaginary friend or something?

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I LIKE the fence. I get 2 groups to laugh at then.

 I hope you are not serious.

And House of the Dead teaches them how to accurately aim the same gun.

Then why am I so bad at Clay Pigeon shooting, by your locgic I should be some sort of gunslinging zen master by now, unless of course your claim is completely innaccurate and unfounded.....

Then we also need to ban every single movie that fits your world view don't we? As those are not polygons and pixels but real people.

And with your inane little rant above you have proven that your knowledge of real weapons is absolutely ZERO.  To say that these games offer any sort of reasonable training in the actual use of firearms is beyond idiotic.

Does playing Madden mean that the average gamer will be able to get signed on in an NFL team?

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

Movies teach people how firearms work as well as video games dose not to mention training and hunting videos that teach you how to operate and maintain the tools fo the trade.

The problem is like the bible its far more a tool than anything else, a pistol has 2 or 4 general moving parts that are universal, if one plays darts or paint ball or air soft or BB/pellet or just a nerf foam dart guns one can grasp the finer points of  of point and shoot, of coarse a gun is heavier and the recoil is a bitch if you work out a little this can be minimized.

What I am getting at most firearms are easy to use because they are perfected tools and all it takes is someone willing to train their body a bit and learn basic projectrory with a toy gun of some kind. The trouble is so life is both figuratively and literately dangerous to us so lets skip all this fou moralistic brown nosing and ban life!

As for the bible its abused constantly and yet is rarely picked on(reasonably) because its somehow a fundamental right, as is most things in life.

Gore,Violence,Sexauilty,Fear,Emotion these are but modes of transportation of story and thought, to take them from society you create a society of children and nannys, since adults are not required.

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 Ok. This guy is 100% troll.

um sage.. sage.. answer me this..

How do you decide that the fact he played games was 'significant'? I mean its been shown that 97% of people play or have played a video game at some point. So where is the 'link'. Even just on the law of AVERAGES. if 97% of shool shooters played video games.. that would actually be NORMAL.

if any less than 97% of school shooters had played video games that would actually be ABNormal.

So just the mere fact he 'played video games' means jack shit. Whats your point? Statistically, 97% of any group you pick who do anything will play / have played video games. In fact on average therefore 97% of all olympic gold medalists have played/ play video games. So does playing video games make me an olympic gold medalist?

Heck  I could just as easily say this:

90% of shark attacks occur in the summer.

90% of people eat ice cream during the summer.

therefore ice cream sales CAUSE SHARK ATTACKS.

Thats the same logic you are using. y'know what its called... yeah thats right 'stupid logic'.

i mean there are other things that corellate with the same or even higher frequency. He watched movies.

EDIT : wow i see you havent replied when somebody confronts you with reality. Whaddya know , you do follow JTs ideals.

Considering that the only things "linking" CounterStrike and Far Cry to the tragedy in Germany are agenda-seeking politicians and a news media with a tabloid mentality(the saying goes, "if it bleeds, it leads") and considering tragedies like that happen maybe once or twice a year, and considering that I live in an area near the Gulf of Mexico that has no hurricane protection that's been hit by four hurricanes since 2005, then yes, I guess it is insignificant.

People's lives are hardly at stake. You're the one who needs to grow up.

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Hornets, Jack Thompson can geaux chase a chupacabra.

What is the difference between the German school shooter with access to guns and the millions of people who play Far Cry or Counterstrike with access to guns every day?

Answer: The german shooter was mentally or psychologically damaged. He was not a normal person, but instead had issues with rejection and anger.

Let us eliminate the common denominators here. Access to guns? That's out, becuase 100s of people have them, yet don't go and shoot up schools. Playing FPS games? Again, MILLIONS of people do it, yet only a tiny, tiny, tiny, insignificant fraction of those people go on to become spree shooters. So it's not games.

So what is left once the common denominators are removed? That's right, the mental instability. there's your culprit, not video games.

It's funny that games are blamed for these mass shootings when i would say that throughout history more spree shooters have been non-gamers than not.

Charles Whitman in 1966 took it upon himself to climb a tower and begin shooting at random people, what fps game did he train on? That's right, they weren't invented yet. What did he have in common with the German shooter? You've guessed it, mental instability.

I guarantee you, if you were to take every single spree killer in history, the only common denominator to all cases would be some kind of mental instability.

Now, maybe I'm totally off-base here, but wouldn't it be more useful to go after what appears to me to be the actual causes of these horrific murders (ie. mentally unstable/psychotic people with access to firearms and a grudge)? Of course not! What looks better to politicians, telling parents that they will set up stundent counselling and monitoring to check that their darling child isn't a psychopath, or that they will go after teh evil video games that are corrupting the children, won't someone think of the children!

Mental health is a difficult and complicated issue that would require a lot of work in order to put some sort of system in place that monitors anyone who shows tendencies that are similar to those displayed by spree killers. Much easier to just scapegoat a new technology that parents don't understand!

Loose freind huh?

Just leave, your just as digusting as he is. I have no faith in the older generation of people today, there ignorance, and stupidity is just horrfying. You claim to know what is right for everyone yet you  ignore so many facts around you.

>:(

Wait, when did jack ever show us such "evidence"?

Sooo, where was that evidence when he needed it? AS in, i nevery trial he got hismelf involved in and his own disbarment trial.

He doesn't even have the evidence. And if he does he never let's anyone see it as it is bunk. Pure bunk, or fabricated/tampered with.

Let me ask you this, Sage.  What made serial killers like Jack The Ripper, Ted Bundy, Jeffrey Dalhmers, Dennis Rader (the BTK killer), Gary Ridgeway (Green River Killer), and David Berkowitz (Son of Sam) killed people.  They didn't need video game to get it.  Nope, they either had psychological problem or they were born a sociopath.  

God. there were school shooting even before violent video game were invented.  Look at these event:

Bath Massacre, 1927-Andrew Kehoe killed his wife, blew up Bath Elementary School (along with 44 students) and killed himself.  what video game did he play? Bioshock? Mercenaries 2? Farcry 2?  Nope none of these, he had financial debt (video game did not even exist back then, how can video game made this guy blow up school and killed many kids).  Conclusion: Blame it on the money, as a matter of fact ban money, they are the root of greed and evil. You know what I blame money for everything, even the financial Crisis.  Ban it, and we will live more happily after.

Poe Elementary School attack, Sept 1959-Paul Harold Ogernon was the perpertraitor of this shooting which end up killing 6 people including himself. He was a ex-convict who couldn't get his son enrolled into that elementary school, and he went 'Postal' on the school.  Video game was not behind this. Conclusion: The guy is a ex-convict, what do you expect??

Cleveland Elementary School schooting, Jan 1979-Brenda Ann Spencer, 16 years old shot up the school for no reason which ended up with 2 dead, 6 injured.  What FPS game did she play? Oh wait a minute, FPS games wasn't invented until the 1990's hence she can't be "trained" on video game.  But however, her motive and quote "I hate Mondays".  Conclusion: The Monday is to be blame.

Portland, Connecticut, Dec 1985-13-year old student Floyd Warmsley shot and killed a janitor, injured the principal, as well as a school secretary and held a student hostage with a rifle at Portland Junior High School after he had been suspended for refusing to take off his hat while in school. He was arrested after his father convinced him to surrender. (from Wikipedia)  So what video game made him do it?  Conclusion: the hat was tainted with pure evil and made him shoot up the school.

Montana, Dec 1986-14 year old Kristopher Hans, angry over a failing grade, shoots and kills a substitute teacher for a French classroom, and then later wounded a vice principal and two students.  Conclusion: I blame the grading system, it can drive a person over the edge.

There you go, if video game create school shooting, how come there were school shooting even exist before First Person Shooter/violent video game were invented.  Got any explanation, Sage???

Don´t start to back-pedal now. If you can´t defend your arguments, stop writting BS.

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 copy and paste from above since it's more appropraite

I feel i should apologize for how some people might treat you. A lot of us has a lot of past experience with Jack Thompson coming to these boards... he has always been totally uncivil and was not open to discussion; really he did little more than just post his press releases, letters to people involved in a case, and just outright insult us; he's quite undeserving of anykind of kindness... might not sound like him to someone who knows him personally, but from what i noticed about his conduct in front of a camera is that the persona he shows off publically is NOT the same as the one he shows here on the net or against people more privately... Not to mention how he treats the opponents in his cases (part of why he ended up being disbarred)... He's even gone so far as threaten us with legal actiont... Frankly, it's given some of us a bit of a knee jerk negative reaction to those that share some of his view points... so much experience to his blind view of things can sometimes make us forget that some critics can be much more resonable and thus should not be treated the same.

Also,

Law of physics and real life application does not apply to video game-I notice most of the video game does not follow the law of physics.  Halo's sniping I notice does not give you the same recoil (anybody knows Newton's third law) as the real sniper rifle does, a high power sniper rifle can knock you off balance if you don't handle the rifle properly. Also the bullets goes in a straight path, bullets does not do that good in real life.  Even in real life, when you have a bad guy in your scope, you could still miss because gravity, obstacle, or sudden movement can alter the bullet's path.  Do most video game developers wants to make the game so almost realistic that it should follow all of physic's law?  I do not think so.  Also if you play Mirror's Edge, you can't jump across the building because gravity can come into play, also let's not forget about mass and weight.  You tried that, you'll fall and die (the only difference is that you don't get a "try again" menu when you die)  No way you can leap like in Super Marios Bros game

I like to point these out also:

-ever play LA machineguns at the arcade and other rail-shooting games.  LA Machineguns have 1 flaws, rapid fire machineguns gets hot when you shoot for a long time.  That's why you see people shooting machineguns in short bursts in real life unlike just fire constantly with no pause like in a video game.  Also, taking down a missiles and rockets with a machineguns is just impossible, they're just so fast and they also have a hard skin, bullets can't penetrate those in real life and missiles/rockets are just so fast by the time you aim the machineguns at them, you're dead (in real life).  That's why we have anti-missile rockets like you see those in military videos, the armed forces knows that machineguns are not capable of taking down a rockets, they know video game ain't real life simulators.

-FPS and 3rd person shooters, Ok we see how guns shoot and how to reload them.  Does video game teach you how to turn off the safety on that gun?? Does video game teach you how to unjam your gun (America's Army is the only exception)??  Does video game teach you what kind of bullet does your gun need? You can just put a AK-47 bullet into a shotgun or a 9mm bullets in a .357 revolvers.  Those would not work or misfire killing you (a great 1000 ways to die).  Does video game teach you how to do a tactical cover (like Gears of War, Uncharted, Wanted: weapon of fate)properly?? Here's the problem with taking cover, you won't be able to see what the enemy is doing in real life, anything can change within seconds,minutes.  The enemy could have outflank you if you're taking cover.  Did you know a grenade can blow up after 10 seconds the pin is pulled (anybody watch Manswers on Spike TV??)?  Don't even think about blind-fire.  you'll just be wasting bullets at no one instead of your enemies in the battlefield.  So if you're taking cover and a grenade is near your feet, kiss your ass goodbye.  That's why in armed force, they always tell you not to take cover for too long, anything can change in a battlefield.

That's the flaws with video game and real life.                

Uh, maybe...Ah, maybe by killing them, they don't "die" but rather, turn undead. That could be consider as a non-lethal killing maybe?

No. Believing that banning games is gonna solve violence problems is the real hypocrital and coward and lazy statement.

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Violent games can cause harm to unstable and uncared for minors. This requires parental supervision and discussion. That said, a "Mature" game is rated that way for a reason. The only reason Austrailia has such a problem is because we have one politician that has in effect made his stand to become a dictator, as opposed to a representative.

A representational government these days isn't a true representational government.  All we see are people that are "elected" to represent us, but turn around and dictate what the people can or cannot do. My prime example of this is Atkinson.

With that said, there are many questions that need to be considered. Is HOTD:O even an interesting or good game in the first place? Not really. What about a game like Rapelay that the a few governments have decided to try and ban, despite it being released for online ordering since 2005(*I think its release date was 2005.)

By making a giant fuss over a specific title, you generate more traffic as politically active adults and teenagers try to understand what our governments are thinking.  I remember myself wanting to see a copy of Rapelay just for the sake of being knowledgable in what the content is, rather than doing what Fox News did with Mass Effect.  This would have generated an extra sale (though it didn't, I lost interest in following this as even more people decided to jump on the 'let's ban a 3-year-old-game bandwagon).

Should a game like Grand Theft Auto be sold to (MOST) Minors? No. But I do believe that it is a parent's responsibility and choice to choose when their child is exposed to such games. I reoutinely stop and educate parents in busy game stores about what content is actually in these types of games. It's not that the content is "surprising". Just look at the title, look at the back of the case, and it would stand to reason that the game indicates the use of illegal activities ranging from not just the theft of cars, but many other things.

Thompson's bill seems to be up for signing by the Governor here in Utah. A state with a 94% enforcement rate from companies that have a volunteered policy on selling to minors. (It is almost impossibly to buy Mature rated titles in my city if you are under 18.)  This kind of over-reaction by lawmakers and our supposed "representatives" is what makes us, the games, so frustrated with the naysayers that just repeat each other like a flock of seagulls.  Utah is the last state that needs something like this, especially right now.

---- There is a limit for both politicians against video games, and video games against politicians. http://www.goteamretard.com

Smoke screen and misinformation on your part, as with many of your posts.

Don't cause harm, no they don't cause harm. 

Religion doesn't cause harm. 

Bigotry and hate doesn't cause harm. 

Owning a gun doesn't cause harm. 

Reading Harry Potter doesn't cause harm.

Reading Playboy/Playgirl doesn't cause harm.

Having a debate on any controversial subject doesn't cause harm.

Reading the NY Times, NY Post, Enquirer, Human Events, Wired, Sports Illustrated, Journal of American Psychology, or any other form of news media doesn't cause harm.

Listening to rap, country, heavy metal, christian rock, alternative music, soft rock, or any form of music doesn't cause harm.

The actions of an individual against another individual is what causes harm.  Whether it's verbal, mental, phsyical, and/or sexual abuse of any kind.  That's what causes harm.

What one is exposed to, and how they absorb it, from the most insignificant thing to the most life altering event can have an effect, positive or negative or even have no effect on an individual.  What is positive for one individual may be negative or have no effect on another.  And these factors are determined by a massive number of other factors, including genetic, personality type, prior life experiences, and other factors.  Saying something simplistic such as violent video games lead to violence or even aggressive behavior is a sign of a limited mintality, whether intentional or otherwise and unable to comprehend the enormity of the complexity of the individual.

In addition, as has been stated many times before, the rating system is NOT a policy or restriction device.  It is set up as one of many  information devices for individuals and Parents to make informed decsions.  What retailers chose to do or not do with that rating system is up to them.  And merchant associations may set policy for membership to follow any or no rating system for their members or potential members.  But the rating system (ANY rating system) is as much a tool as the ability to look up information on schools your children may attend, or the neighborhoods you may decide to go live in, or the the vehicles you choose to buy, or the foods you choose to eat.  They are merely tools with which you are free to agree or not agree with.

One individual or Parent may choose to allow their child to play a game, read a book, associate with various religious organizations, listen to music, or have conversations that another individual or Parent may find "inappropriate" for themselves or their own child.  And that's all well, fine, and dandy.  Everyone is entitled to differences of opinion and belief.

But what one individual or Parent does NOT have the Right to do, contrary to the beliefs of those who oppose the US Constitution and the Rights outlined therein, is DICTATE what is or is not appropriate for other individuals and/or other Parent's children.  You have a problem with Mark Twain, Hip Hop, GTA, Baptists who perform religious marriage ceremonies on homosexuals, and MSNBC, well fine and howdy doody dandy, don't participate in those things.  That's your Right.  But don't deny other citizens THEIR Rights.  That's called subversive behavior and an attempt to create a dictatorship in a Free Country. 

Am I getting too aggressive for ya?  Feel that I should just lay down and roll over and take having my Rights as both an individual and Parent denied to me?  Feel that YOU have the Right not only to stand up for YOUR Rights in whatever manner YOU feel necessary but that YOU have the Right to DICTATE to me what is or is not appropriate for myself or my child?  Now who's being a hypocrit?

Nightwng2000

NW2K Software

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Swearing like a sailor is not harmful, but I don't like to see kids going around with their mouths full of obscenities.

It's a matter of personal responsibility. Some parents don't mind their kids swearing, I do.

Some parents don't want their kid seeing violent entertainment. I myself will only let my son play/view these games when I judge that he is old enough. Even if he were to play/view it, it would not cause any harm, but I retain my parental choice.

Here's the difference, Sage. Most of us live in countries where we can spend our time working (assuming we haven't been laid off yet), and enjoying our free time.  Who are you to say that someone can't enjoy a video game, movie, or even a book revolving around violence?

Can we define violence please? Is it the destruction of property, matter, and the loss of life? Or is violence something referring to just human loss of life?

If violence is to encompass all aspects of destruction, let's consider the sun. It has violent reactions, burning a good ways away from our planet. Such violence though, supports our Earth and ecosystems to the point where we can still live here, right?

---- There is a limit for both politicians against video games, and video games against politicians. http://www.goteamretard.com

It isnt 'appropriate' to burp at the dinner table.

does it HARM anyone? no.

Harm and 'innappropriate' are entirely different things.

innappropriate is generally governed by culture and social 'norms'. Harm means something that happens has caused detriment to somebody.

From Dictionary.com:

Harm - physical injury or mental damage; hurt: to do him bodily harm.

Inappropriate - not appropriate; not proper or suitable

Appropriate - suitable or fitting for a particular purpose, person, occasion

Hope that helps.

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
http://www.theeca.com/chapters_oklahoma

Still doesn't prove that you're not a Troll like Derovirus was.

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You may not be. But you're still pretty much the worst troll ever. I'd almost rather have Pandralsik over you.

But what about the flood of filth that an R18 rating would allow through. You know, all three games that didn't get squashed into the MA15 category.

-ConstantNeophyte: always the newb, ALWAYS.

''In all FBI research regarding the causes and risk factors for School shootings, Video games have never been considered a cause, nor were they considered a high risk factor.''

good point!

And lets face it.. if an entire team of fbi shooting experts, and criminal profilers don't consider it relevant, i think we can take their word over that of a disbarred lawyer and a forum troll.

"On a side note I'm now inviting everyone to buy or rent any House of the Dead game and play it bare assed naked."

In public.  We've got to hit all the points here.